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    Quote Originally Posted by Balog View Post
    I'm looking at this thread, and the only bitching I'm seeing is coming from you. And if you're making money off folks coming to your house, then yeah those people who are generating revenue for you to enjoy your hobby have a right to talk about it.

    As an aside, I'm starting to wonder if this site is a part of Daily Kos or Democrat Underground, based on all the hateful reactions to the idea that the site owner is making profit. When did saying someone is an entrepreneur become an insult? I think it's a damn compliment.
    Shit, now you're insulting all of SGN? I don't like attacking people or respond to things like this but your attitude needs an adjustment. Like everyone keeps saying, this board is here to help users. I've found it extremely useful and don't whine about a few changes that really don't matter much in the scheme of things. So you can't post in a for sale section, start a thread in one of the forums and someone will quickly respond. Didn't you see TA's response about the profit you state? You do know it takes money to run a site like this, correct? I have found they always listen to opinions but not everyone can get what they want.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MorrisWR View Post
    Shit, now you're insulting all of SGN? I don't like attacking people or respond to things like this but your attitude needs an adjustment. Like everyone keeps saying, this board is here to help users. I've found it extremely useful and don't whine about a few changes that really don't matter much in the scheme of things. So you can't post in a for sale section, start a thread in one of the forums and someone will quickly respond. Didn't you see TA's response about the profit you state? You do know it takes money to run a site like this, correct? I have found they always listen to opinions but not everyone can get what they want.

    Ok, seriously now... How in the hell is saying that the site is a commercial enterprise an insult? When did "This is a business" become some damning condemnation that people feel the need to defend against?


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    all threads go too shit. norm is right.

    about fuc*ing time.


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    Your arguing apples and oranges. Here's where you went astray.

    In response to JB saying it is a free service to you, you make the point that there is revenue to the operator(s). That is beside the point JB made. As an aside: Who cares? It's free to you and everyone else.

    Quote Originally Posted by Balog View Post
    Technically speaking, it's a means of revenue generation for the site owners. It may have started as a private guy wanting to foster a community, but it's a business now and without all these folks the admins seem so contemptuous of, there would be no ad revenue rolling in. It's like any other retail business; insulting the people who earn you money seems like a bad idea.
    You seem to take issue that, because you contribute some amount of content or value, you should have an equal or more significant say as to how things operate than merely offering your opinion and letting that be the end of it. That's mistaken.

    Quote Originally Posted by John Brown View Post
    Perhaps if you don't like it, you should start your own forum and run it the way you want? Avoid SGN.
    I agree. It's free to you, and its a valuable service offered for free to meet like-minded people for sales, trades, etc. Offer your opinion, then let it go.

    Quote Originally Posted by Balog View Post
    But my impression was that this forum was along the lines of say Facebook, where the users generate content in exchange for a service they don't pay for, and the site generates income from ad revenue. Which, to be clear, I think is a fine arrangement.
    Then why the problem? Nobody is forcing you to contribute here. And nobody is taking issue of whether SGN generates revenue. The issue is someone feeling entitled to some sort of elevated privilege to guide the operation of SGN, just because you are a member/contributor here. Try taking up your suggestion with Facebook, and see how far you get.

    Quote Originally Posted by Balog View Post
    As an aside, I'm starting to wonder if this site is a part of Daily Kos or Democrat Underground, based on all the hateful reactions to the idea that the site owner is making profit. When did saying someone is an entrepreneur become an insult? I think it's a damn compliment.
    MorrisWR asks:
    Quote Originally Posted by MorrisWR
    now you're insulting all of SGN?
    To which you respond:
    Quote Originally Posted by Balog
    Ok, seriously now... How in the hell is saying that the site is a commercial enterprise an insult? When did "This is a business" become some damning condemnation that people feel the need to defend against?
    Your insult was equating SGN with Daily Kos or Democrat Underground. You missed the boat. Nowhere in this thread was anyone taking issue with capitalism or SGN generating revenue, for whatever purpose.

    To be clear again, the issue is someone feeling entitled to some sort of elevated privilege to guide the operation of SGN, just because you are a member/contributor here.

    Oh and BTT.


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    Quote Originally Posted by fl0und3rz View Post
    You seem to take issue that, because you contribute some amount of content or value, you should have an equal or more significant say as to how things operate than merely offering your opinion and letting that be the end of it. That's mistaken.

    To be clear again, the issue is someone feeling entitled to some sort of elevated privilege to guide the operation of SGN, just because you are a member/contributor here.
    Bullshit. I have never said anything of the sort, and you're pulling it out of your ass if you say I have.

    Some changes were made. People commented on them. Other people got their panties in a twist that anyone would dare to offer an opinion about the site. I pointed out that this is a business dependent on its users to generate revenue. That's it. No entitlement, no demands to be able to boss the site owners around, nothing. Everything else exists only in the minds of folks who are determined to be offended.

    I also note that I didn't compare SGN as a whole to DU/Daily Kos, I compared the people whining that I had pointed out that this site is a business to the posters on DU/Daily Kos.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Balog View Post
    Bullshit. I have never said anything of the sort, and you're pulling it out of your ass if you say I have.
    Note the qualifier "seem" in "you seem to take issue . . . ."

    Quote Originally Posted by Balog View Post
    I pointed out that this is a business dependent on its users to generate revenue. That's it. No entitlement, no demands to be able to boss the site owners around, nothing.
    My mistake, please own up to yours that people are coming down on capitalism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Balog View Post
    Everything else exists only in the minds of folks who are determined to be offended.
    Turn the mirror around please. Nobody is coming down on capitalism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Balog View Post
    I also note that I didn't compare SGN as a whole to DU/Daily Kos, I compared the people whining that I had pointed out that this site is a business to the posters on DU/Daily Kos.
    Quote Originally Posted by Balog
    I'm starting to wonder if this site is a part of Daily Kos or Democrat Underground
    "This site" does not equal the "people whining that I had pointed out that this site is a business . . . ."

    Please be more explicit if you only meant a few people and not "this site." (For the record, I was not insulted.)

    And again, you make the mistake that people are coming down on capitalism. Whether it is socialistic or capitalistic is only a point being made by you. You miss the point. People were and still are taking issue with bitching about a free service. If that is not clear by now, I am not sure what else I can do to help you.


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    Everyone needs to quit bickering and go out and enjoy the Holiday weekend & the sunshine. This thread has turned into the perfect example of why the mods have so much un-needed babysitting to do. Keep your arguments to pm's.

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    1. offering feedback is not bitching.

    2. as for it being a free service, that's sort of a half truth innit?




    Again, I don't object to the business model. I think it's a wonderful idea, and I'm glad for this site and that it's been able to be successfully monetized.


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    Also, I think I'll go back to lurking the FS forums. Have a good weekend all, and hopefully the terminally offended don't get thrown from that high horse...




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    Quote Originally Posted by Balog View Post
    1. offering feedback is not bitching.

    2. as for it being a free service, that's sort of a half truth innit?

    Again, I don't object to the business model. I think it's a wonderful idea, and I'm glad for this site and that it's been able to be successfully monetized.

    You CLEARLY missed my post in regards to this. Here it is again for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalAssault View Post
    Up until late last year SGN had ZERO advertising and was FREE for all users. Only recently has it started offering advertising space. The businesses that choose to advertise do so because of the number of members and not the content per say. Where else can a gun store reach 15,000 potential buyers at once for a minimal cost? Regardless of the content if there were only 500 members, advertisers would likely not be interested in advertising with SGN. SGN was designed to give gun enthusiasts a FREE place to buy, sell, trade and discuss our hobby. No more, no less. SGN is owned by a single individual who fronts ALL costs out of his own pocket just to give all the members a place to use. Any money received from advertising or donations goes directly back into running the site. Those of us who have been here since the very beginning typically take offense when someone has the nerve to criticize a free site that is paid for by a single person simply because he enjoys the hobby. The site owner does not expect to get rich off this site nor is that his intent. His intent has always been to provide a free service for all Seattle area gun enthusiasts.
    This site is NOTHING like Facebook. The owner of this site is not raking in millions of dollars in advertising money, making movies, flying around in jets, etc. The owner is getting a little bit of money from advertising and donations to offset his own out of pocket costs. So the ONLY person this site was NOT free for for over two years was the site owner as he was PAYING for all of us to have this site. Now that the site has gotten as large as it is it required a new system to run it and much larger hosting. In came the advertising and donate button. That allows those who actually appreciate the time and money spent to donate back to their community.

    The bottom line here is whether you think you're right or wrong you are barking up the wrong tree by criticizing the site, assuming the staff is getting rich off the members and making unrealistic comparisons. No matter how hard you try to win this argument I am here as the site Admin to assure you that you will only lose in the end.

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