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    Re: Chipotle... meet Starbucks

    Quote Originally Posted by COYOTE JLR View Post
    What these guys did was make a scene. An entirely unnecessary scene. They came in looking like a couple of thugs with rifles strapped round their necks. It wasn't subtle, and it in no way made anybody feel safer. Sure, you could try and play it off that their only intention was to sit down and have a nice, quiet meal, but you're going to have the devil's own job getting me to believe that. They were their to be noticed and they were there to walk up to the very edge of what is legal.

    What scene? The only scene is what the internet has brought upon us

    I'm not a rabidly anti OC guy. I believe that there is a time, a place, and a way in which it should be done. Like you said, the tactics these idiots chose were bad. I'd consider their antics the antithesis of what is the "proper" way.

    What is Proper. That is up to the person that is carrying at the time and place.

    Now we could get a little idealistic and say that "I should be able to carry anyway I want, whenever I want, and wherever I want." and that "There shouldn't be any 'proper' way so long as it's legal", and I would, in an ideal world, agree with you. Guns and the right to carry them shouldn't be an issue. People shouldn't be scared of them. The government shouldn't be involved in them. The issue is that this isn't an ideal world. There's an abundance of fear and misinformation out there, and our idealism will not be well received.

    Okay the goverment is the reason that we are where we are. The voters art the reason for the loss of our rights. Misinformation is the root cause of all loss of rights.

    Walking around with a tacticool rifle slung over your back is confrontational in our society. Plain and simple. Not only is it confrontational, but it's also very threatening to someone who is already uncomfortable around guns. When people feel threatened, they shut down. They're not going to hear what you say.

    Tacticool. Yeah all black rifles and pistols are tacticool. Being confrontational is nothing new nor will it ever be old. Im still not sure how people were threatened but thats up to the people that were there at the time. Neither me nor you were there to see what was going or how it was handled. No one will hear anything that they dont want to. Just like this conversation.

    I don't believe we should give up on our dreams of an ideal world, I think we should strive for that, however, we should temper our efforts with a bit of realism and tact. Trying to force our ideals down someone's throat is counterproductive. It's ended our welcome in Starbucks, and now it's ended our welcome in Chipotle. People need to wake up and start seeing things clearly. We're shooting ourselves in the foot by thinking that just because we can, means that we also should.

    Examples of where we should start will be good. So far we have not seen a "good time" to start fighting back. Whats legal is legal. How people feel is how people feel. These are the same people that will call the police to come protect them rather then protect themselves. They dont that the police have no duty to protect them and that they have to protect them selves.
    Youre to content with the compromises that the people of the "elder" generations have put upon us. This isnt about comfort or safety.

    Yes posing for pictures was dumb. The real question is who took the picture it sure as hell wasnt one of the two "idots" in the picture.

    The whole CC over OC is dumb. The men in blue OC every day. this argument isnt going to go anywhere you have your opinion and I have mine.

    I was born in to this mess Im only 24 and im tired of seeing the elders saying that OC has a time and a place. Where is that time and place? When is the correct time? The biggest problem is how fast things blow up on the internet. The anti crowd will allways blow thing out of proportion thats nothing new.


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    "Walking around with a tacticool rifle slung over your back is confrontational in our society. Plain and simple. Not only is it confrontational, but it's also very threatening to someone who is already uncomfortable around guns. When people feel threatened, they shut down. They're not going to hear what you say."

    This, is the crux of the matter. Am going to try to put some perspective on this. It was not always so. To a large extent, I blame the schools for this. When I was a teenager, say 16, I would take, on foot or a bicycle, a .22 rifle for rabbits or a Ruger .44 Mag carbine for deer, to the local hunting ground. In a well populated suburb. Now those same grounds are a tick-tacky, Seattle suburb style bunch of sub-developments. Walking to school with a target rifle was no big deal. The only time the cops took interest was to check out the deer, if I had one. You young punks have no evident awareness of this change. Said change was brought about by pretty much the same folks who laud Starbucks and, now, Chipolte, for their decisions. This change was not created by state legislation, excepting the development of the "gun free zones".

    On the other hand, with respect to douche-bags packing military clones free hand or with CQB slings, at the ready, that simply did not happen in the day. As someone pointed out, there is no changing of minds. Even the folks who were charmed by the OPs demeanor are unlikely to have been permanently persuaded on the basis of fact and law. Those business' have the right to refuse service, and remove disruptive influences. To criticize that in the street/sidewalk adjacent to their places of business is just wrong. Not legally, but ethically.

    You guys who oppose open carry of rifles, shotguns and handguns or other common weapons, have been indoctrinated to accept a new, oppressive and fairly recent standard of social conduct. This is something I fervently believe must be undone. That can not be accomplished legislatively. It has to be done in much they same way the new standard was established.

    Similarly, I am very concerned about the security of our school age children. The schools are clearly ripe targets of opportunity for evil people with weapons. They have been made so by the same people who have brought us this newish standard. and, they DO NOT CARE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jcb View Post
    I haven't forgot whos side I'm on. That's why I joined SGN. I will say I'm a little shocked at the response from people here though. It kinda made me wonder who was on who's side though. I'm on the side of the ones who who gave us this freedom to begin with, and dedicated 8 years of my life in the military defending it.
    I also get that in order to keep that freedom we have to go about it with tact and be mindful of the people who wish to vote those freedoms away. That is why my posts have condemned those guys in Texas for their approach, not praised them. The gripe I have is with Chipotle... Not to mention Bloomberg and every other anti-gun liberal who is lying to people on the fence with gun control. We are never going to change the minds of the anti-gun left, no matter how right we are (no pun intended). The only thing we can do is show the people in the middle that just because you carry a gun, your not the bad guy. Again I don't open carry on regular basis, but I do believe it has its time and place. On 5 different occasions I did just that, and I'll tell you that almost every person I spoke to had changed their thoughts on guns. I found that despite all the hype, people judge you on your personality and character, not the gun on your hip. I'm unaware of any situation in history where a person standing up for their second amendment right, handing out flyers and starting dialog, turned the gun and held the place up. People know that, and you'd be surprised how many people actually support what you are doing after a friendly conversation. If you support what I'm wanting to do, come and join me. I didn't start this thread to create a debate, only to find like minded people who are not afraid to stand up for what they believe in.
    You say you have a gripe with Chipolte, why?? Chipolte is a business and is in business to make money and to make money they have to get more customers and not have them chased off. Bottom line is they are there to make a profit not to protect anyones rights. Starbucks was saying leave us out of this until some miss guided gun people miss took it for Starbucks being on our side and made it a big issue and forced Starbucks hand and ask people not to bring guns into their stores. In the end whose fault is that?


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    There seems to be an attitude with carrying a gun today compared to that of yesterday. It used to be viewed as a tool, but now it's cool. There's an attitude to go with it. It's more aggressive and uncomfortable to be around. It's not just those judging that are at fault. The stigma has to do with what guns are used for today, and that is for humans. It's not about hunting anymore at all. Even the targets we shoot are human and zombie silhouettes. It's all about "if you fuck with me, I'll shoot your ass", and so it goes... everyone feels more comfortable without the potential stress of being the victim of the firearm. Out of sight, out of mind.


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    Don't feed the Troll guys...sheesh

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    Re: Chipotle... meet Starbucks

    Quote Originally Posted by Urban X View Post
    There seems to be an attitude with carrying a gun today compared to that of yesterday. It used to be viewed as a tool, but now it's cool. There's an attitude to go with it. It's more aggressive and uncomfortable to be around. It's not just those judging that are at fault. The stigma has to do with what guns are used for today, and that is for humans. It's not about hunting anymore at all. Even the targets we shoot are human and zombie silhouettes. It's all about "if you fuck with me, I'll shoot your ass", and so it goes... everyone feels more comfortable without the potential stress of being the victim of the firearm. Out of sight, out of mind.
    Tee-fucking-vee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by corpsman View Post
    Tee-fucking-vee.
    Agree


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    I love how every one has an opinion they know nothing about. To my knowledge, I'm the only one here who has actually had the balls to stand up for what I believe in a public setting while open carrying. Not once did I say any thing about carrying an assault rifle, nor did i say that i wanted to go in the restiraunt . I have just as much right to stand out side the resteraunt and inform their costumers of their policy as Chipotle has to enforce one. I respect all your opinions, their nice in theory, but not based on reality. You read a news article on some ass holes in Texas, and in fear of losing your own rights, and are quick to make assumptions. Comparing the actions and results of what I've done, to those guys in Texas is like comparing you all to a criminal with a gun, after all, your both carrying a gun.... right?? Opinions are like ass holes...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Barfly View Post
    using a firearm as a tool to protest is anything but peaceful nor will it increase any positive awareness.
    Disregarding these dimwits at Chipotle, I believe many who were carrying in Olympia would disagree with your statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronco75 View Post
    If someone walks into a restaurant I am in with an AR.....I am fucking nervous....there is no reason for it and I will likely think the guy is up to something...it's ridiculous...

    Plus it's hard to eat a burrito with one hand on your pistol.....
    You need bigger hands.

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