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    It’s always been a first amendment issue. It had and still has nothing to do with disrespecting the military. Some people chose to try and make it that. You will find that to the last player, they all respect the military.

    It’s run it’s course and because of people twisting the meaning of the protest, it is time to move on. What started as one thing has been turned into something else. That’s the power of the internet and social media.

    Maybe our moron in chief can get back to more important matters. Like helping Puerto Rico instead of just bitching about their debt. Maybe actually helping people. Maybe trying to expand his base. After all he is everyone’s president. Not just Bannons puppet. He’s going to need way more supporters if he expects to win again.


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    Re: Wow, this NFL issue is really spiraling out of control....

    http://canadafreepress.com/article/t...erm=2017-10-12

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    By BombThrowers--Jacob Grandstaff——Previous Articles--October 12, 2017

    The National Football League Players Association (NFLPA), an AFL-CIO affiliate, has joined George Soros and a number of other ultra-wealthy, left-wing donors—including Planned Parenthood and the Kellogg Foundation—to fund groups fueling the so-called “Resistance” to Donald Trump’s presidency. The tax revelations show that the NFLPA’s response to Trump’s recent comments critical of players who protest during the national anthem is no more spontaneous than the organizations it funds are grassroots-based.

    2nd Vote, a conservative watchdog group, revealed last week that the NFLPA funds groups like Center for Community Change (CCC), which advocates for complete amnesty for illegal immigrants, as well as Working America, a Big Labor organization that promotes far-left “class consciousness.” CCC’s 501(c)(4) “social welfare” arm, the Center for Community Change Action (CCCA), spent $3 million——on Hillary Clinton’s failed presidential campaign last year. Working America, meanwhile, donated more than $4 million and knocked on 2.5 million doors on behalf of Clinton in battleground states.

    The activism of NFLPA’s donation recipients has only continued since the 2016 election. They have actively mobilized so-called “grassroots” activists to resist the Trump presidency; in reality the bulk of their funding consists of large donations from a handful of well-connected leftist donors like Soros’ Open Society Foundations. Deepak Bhargava, for instance, is the executive director of the Center for Community Change; he also sits on the Open Society Foundations’ advisory board.

    Working America has mobilized opponents of Trump’s tax plan, calling it the “Trump tax scam.” CCC joined United We Dream—a Soros-sponsored, pro-amnesty campus organization—in nationwide immigration protests leading up to Trump’s inauguration in January. CCC has also actively its efforts with a plethora of other groups on the far-left to mobilize voters for the Democratic Party in the 2018 and 2020 elections.

    The information that 2nd Vote provided is revealing, but not surprising. In recent months, NFL players have driven down the NFL’s popularity by kneeling during the playing of the national anthem, claiming to protest what they consider police racial profiling. When Trump said players that kneel should be fired, the response from millionaire professional athletes (who had not previously knelt) was both swift and disrespectful.

    Both the NFL and NFLPA appeared to present a united front in opposition to the President’s remarks as more than 200 players took a knee the following Sunday in solidarity with (the unemployed) Colin Kaepernick, who started the trend of sitting and kneeling during the anthem.

    NFLPA president Eric Winston called the president’s remarks “a slap in the face to the civil rights heroes of the past and present.” Winston’s definition of civil rights, however, didn’t sit well with NFL fans. Even CNN’s liberal commentator John King admitted that the protests are driving fans away from their beloved sport, saying

    Since the president weighed in, the owners are now dealing with a surge in ticket holder requests for refunds.

    What happens to the NFL doesn’t concern Winston, though, since he’s of one mind with NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith, who predicted a players strike in the near future and described NFL owners as “greedy.” Winston said,

    Honestly, I don’t care, and I don’t think the guys in this locker room care whether [the NFL] is going to be around in 20 years, because none of us are going to be playing.

    2ndVote’s revelations show the NFLPA is a bastion of radical politics, in league with George Soros and the W.K. Kellogg Foundation, Michael Volpe notes in Foundation Watch. Volpe writes,

    Since its founding, the Kellogg philanthropy has given hundreds of millions of dollars to hospitals, schools, and youth centers, especially in rural and underprivileged areas. But it has strayed from the goals of its conservative founder, thus betraying what is called “donor intent,” an important concept in the philanthropic community. In the last few years, the Kellogg Foundation has sent billions of dollars to left-wing causes like open-borders groups, liberal think tanks, and projects supported by billionaire leftist George Soros.The W.K. Kellogg Foundation was established to improve the lives of children, but like so many well-endowed philanthropies over time it betrayed the beliefs of its founder as it drifted steadily leftward.

    crossposted from the website of Capital Research Center, parent of Bombthrowers

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    We’re not afraid to take on anyone, especially the Washington Establishment—Republican or Democrat.

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    Re: Wow, this NFL issue is really spiraling out of control....

    Quote Originally Posted by John Brown View Post
    It’s always been a first amendment issue. It had and still has nothing to do with disrespecting the military. Some people chose to try and make it that. You will find that to the last player, they all respect the military.

    It’s run it’s course and because of people twisting the meaning of the protest, it is time to move on. What started as one thing has been turned into something else. That’s the power of the internet and social media.

    Maybe our moron in chief can get back to more important matters. Like helping Puerto Rico instead of just bitching about their debt. Maybe actually helping people. Maybe trying to expand his base. After all he is everyone’s president. Not just Bannons puppet. He’s going to need way more supporters if he expects to win again.
    It is not, nor will it ever be "over" This will take on the semi-legend character of the POW-MIA issues from Korea and VietNam. This was a big hammer swung by fools who thought they could overcome the power of the market because they were rich, cool, and popular, Your claim that " It had and still has nothing to do with disrespecting the military", is rooted in wishful thinking. I have no doubt the racism thing was well timed, like social conventions regarding racism had reverted to the Civil War era in 2016. There is clear evidence of financial and political collusion between the NFL and the several NFL team owners; and George Soros organizations. Remember, the bitch funding Antifa? JB, I call on you to get a grip. Football, schmootball. The real issue is the use of the social influence power of pro football to augment the efforts of the fascist "progressives" to undermine the law of the land, the Constitution. You are not stupid... but perhaps a fool in ways that are dangerous to you and yours. Being blind sided sucks.

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    Re: Wow, this NFL issue is really spiraling out of control....

    http://corporate.findlaw.com/law-lib...revisited.html

    "There are no Washington cases that this author is aware of where freedom of speech has been protected under the First Amendment in private sector workplaces."


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    Jeez. There are definitely some grips needing gotten, but mine ain't one of them. Like drama much? Holy shit you are being overly dramatic. Some people who love to see things that aren't there, made this about the military. It never was. Period. Prove it was. There is no proof. Find one single player who talks shit about the military. Your line of crap plays well in some circles because it portrays millionaire blacks as being against the flag, and the military. It plays well in a lot of redneck states too. They just as soon see them hung cuz they be" disrespecting our flag ". Fuck that shit. The FIRST FUCKING AMENDMENT guarantees that anyone can BURN, TEAR UP, SHIT ON, PISS ON, or otherwise do what they want to the flag. Courts have backed it up. You forget what we fought for. Really. You do. Our resident forum hack lawyer doesn't know law from shinola. He needs to do a bit of research on cases of disrespecting the flag. It's all there. And to the employer angle, it's up to the employer if what employees do violates company policy. But that is totally irrelevant to what you guys are crying about.

    That's being said. Everyone is entitled to his or her opinions, just as I'm entitled to think you are full of shit, as you can of me.

    I'm ready for some football tonight.

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    "The FIRST FUCKING AMENDMENT guarantees that anyone can BURN, TEAR UP, SHIT ON, PISS ON, or otherwise do what they want to the flag. Courts have backed it up."

    True. So what? The problem is that no one's rights under the 1st Amendment are being violated. The restrictions on violating any of the Constitution are aimed primarily
    at government. The framers recognized the two primary threats to the Constitution were foreign invasion and subversion of the law. Government possesses the greatest
    capacity to apply force and is the "main suspect" regarding the possibility of abuse. With the NFL no one is trying to prevent the players from expressing themselves via
    any kind of legal sanction. This is entirely a commercial relationship issue. Often called voting with the wallet. There is nothing in the law to prevent people from severing
    commercial relationships for any reason , other than contract. No contracts at work here other than an agreement with fans, individually, to receive entertainment services.
    If the fan is dissatisfied, for any reason, or none at all, then it is the fans absolute right to stop being a customer.. As well, fans have the right to make clear why they
    have severed a relationship, or not. If that hurts the NFL, then the NFL needs to get its shit squared away from a marketing perspective. If the NFL is set on self destruction,
    so be it.

    I suppose we shall have to agree to disagree about the nature of the players protests. Rather clear to me , we either have 32 teams packed with ignorant types who do not
    understand the feelings of many of their potential and former customers.... or they are deliberately using a manner of protest that deeply offends the customer/fans. Stupid at
    the least, arrogantly insulting at worst. I don't buy the benign intentions thing, it is simply too egregious, too outrageous. You want evidence? Look at the photos of the kneelers,
    where they were kneeling and in association with music emblematic of the flag. That can not be a coincidence.

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    The NFL isn't going away. Neither are spoiled brat millionaire athletes. More than anything, I firmly believe that Trump used this as a distraction from his incompetence and to firm up his base of rednecks. Sure, some normal folks agree with him too, but I doubt they were his target. He needs to stick to running the country, as it appears right now that the ship is just circling around in the harbor and going nowhere. He's still pissed because they wouldn't let him own a team. That's some petty assed bullshit.

    I think points were made on both sides of this issue that were not going to change the other sides position. From the beginning. You either look at it one way or the other. Gun forums tend to have a certain slant. That's more or less by definition.

    The Seahawks are off this week, spending some free time away from the game. Maybe they can all stay out of trouble.

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    Re: Wow, this NFL issue is really spiraling out of control....

    Quote Originally Posted by John Brown View Post
    Jeez. There are definitely some grips needing gotten, but mine ain't one of them. Like drama much? Holy shit you are being overly dramatic. Some people who love to see things that aren't there, made this about the military. It never was. Period. Prove it was. There is no proof. Find one single player who talks shit about the military. Your line of crap plays well in some circles because it portrays millionaire blacks as being against the flag, and the military. It plays well in a lot of redneck states too. They just as soon see them hung cuz they be" disrespecting our flag ". Fuck that shit. The FIRST FUCKING AMENDMENT guarantees that anyone can BURN, TEAR UP, SHIT ON, PISS ON, or otherwise do what they want to the flag. Courts have backed it up. You forget what we fought for. Really. You do. Our resident forum hack lawyer doesn't know law from shinola. He needs to do a bit of research on cases of disrespecting the flag. It's all there. And to the employer angle, it's up to the employer if what employees do violates company policy. But that is totally irrelevant to what you guys are crying about.

    That's being said. Everyone is entitled to his or her opinions, just as I'm entitled to think you are full of shit, as you can of me.

    I'm ready for some football tonight.
    Apparently more "not caring" about this issue... lol

    Followed by more total and complete lack of understanding and outright ignorance about well-settled 1st Amendment law.

    Guy, give it a rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leadcounsel View Post
    Apparently more "not caring" about this issue... lol

    Followed by more total and complete lack of understanding and outright ignorance about well-settled 1st Amendment law.

    Guy, give it a rest.
    It amazes me that you are some kind of attorney, and it is YOU who knows nothing about the first amendment. Go back to ambulance chasing or something you are good at. Do some research on flag burning, etc, and then get back to me. Until then, fuck off.

    I'm ready for some Thursday Night Football.

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